Affordable ($25) circadian friendly LED bulb
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This is a good idea, but I feel that it needs to go warmer than 2700K.
Anyway, can you update your link to this one?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/364176964/silk-by-saffron-smart-led-lighting-bring-sunlight/
Yours is https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/364176964/silk-by-saffron-smart-led-lighting-bring-sunlight/description and it scrolled me down to all of those "As Seen On" logos so I didn't know what I was looking at.
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Yeah, I think they need to get down to at least Candle level 1900K because that's even better for sleep.
Then they could have an even more full color spectrum as well!
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@timpster said:
Yeah, I think they need to get down to at least Candle level 1900K because that's even better for sleep.
Then they could have an even more full color spectrum as well!
Too many people would hate that though, but the invention of this light is definitely a good start.
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I disagree, maybe make the default 2700K, but have the nClick with the wall switch a special warm yellow that people could use. I hope they get enough resources, hue just doesn't seem to be able to do these things.
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What are you disagreeing with here? I'm saying that the reason why it only goes as warm as 2700K is, the masses would reject it complaining that it's too orange or too red (and too ugly, etc.). The only people who would be ok with light warmer than 2700K would be people like me who want nothing but pure red light at bedtime.
My mom is a good example of the kind of person who would hate even the 2700K color of this light because to her, "it's too yellow. Yuck". She prefers GE Reveal bulbs, Daylight bulbs, etc. She hates normal incandescent bulbs because they're too yellow in her opinion. She hates it!
That's all I'm saying. So, what I mean by "it's a good start" is, this invention will help to wake up the masses, to make them more aware of how light affects us throughout the entire day from when we wake up all the way to when we go to sleep. Right now, I would venture to guess that less than 1% of the people on this planet are aware, like a tiny fraction of 1%. You and I are in that tiny group. So, to have an invention like this succeed, it must appeal to the masses at first. Having it go warmer than 2700K at night would cause a lot of people to go, "Omg, no, that's too orange" or "that's too red. yuck".
So again, it's a good start. I think that we're witnessing history in the making here. Maybe in like a hundred or something, people will be growing up in a world where it's completely normal across the globe to use bright alerting light in the morning and throughout the day and then to use warmer and warmer and warmer light at night, possibly ending with red light like I do now. In order to get there though, the masses have to be eased into it.
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Well that makes sense, I'm sure I know a few people who wouldn't want much less than 2700K as well, but that setting (2700) wouldn't bother them.
'm sure therI KNOW there are people out there that think Incandescent bulbs are "un natural". They say, it's because daylight is white.My response to them, "Well O.K., so what happens when that same sun sets in the evening -- is that un natural too? Why don't they think about that? I've read it all over the Internet, it's just so simple to me...
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@TwoCables said:
She hates normal incandescent bulbs because they're too yellow in her opinion. She hates it!
Kindly ask here does she think a sunset is ugly as well!
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@timpster said:
Well that makes sense, I'm sure I know a few people who wouldn't want much less than 2700K as well, but that setting (2700) wouldn't bother them.
'm sure therI KNOW there are people out there that think Incandescent bulbs are "un natural". They say, it's because daylight is white.My response to them, "Well O.K., so what happens when that same sun sets in the evening -- is that un natural too? Why don't they think about that? I've read it all over the Internet, it's just so simple to me...
Some people just don't like incandescent bulbs because they're too yellow, and thus too ugly. The masses are being brainwashed to believe that their only concern with indoor lighting is how it makes your home look. They're being brainwashed that indoor lighting is all about the look you want inside.
I ninja-edited you though. Can you re-read my post above? I'm sorry.
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@timpster said:
@TwoCables said:
She hates normal incandescent bulbs because they're too yellow in her opinion. She hates it!
Kindly ask here does she think a sunset is ugly as well!
No, she won't get it. She is more interested in the way her home looks with whatever lights she chooses to use. That's the way most people are.
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I've also seen some GE Reveal marketing, showing how their bulb made colors "pop" better (and it was night time in the picture!!). It showed how green showed up "better" with their light, so I remember exactly what your saying, yes, people bought it (literally). At least though, it's STILL Incandescent filaments in there, the reveal just cuts down a small portion of yellow, it's actually in the fluxometer!
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@timpster said:
I've also seen some GE Reveal marketing, showing how their bulb made colors "pop" better (and it was night time in the picture!!). It showed how green showed up "better" with their light, so I remember exactly what your saying, yes, people bought it (literally). At least though, it's STILL Incandescent filaments in there, the reveal just cuts down a small portion of yellow, it's actually in the fluxometer!
Yeah, and my mom is one of the millions (if not billions) of people who have been brainwashed by this product.These companies don't care about our health, they care about how much of our money they can take. It's going to be decades before healthy lighting is commonly available at the major retailers. I mean, it's going to be decades before we can walk over to the Lighting section of like Menards or something and see a huge selection of lights that don't get in the way of our circadian rhythm at all. They might even have educational pamphlets that you can take home to each you about the proper use of indoor lighting in order to avoid interrupting your circadian rhythm.
Of course, there's still the issue of the blue light from computer monitors, tablets, phones, etc. Not enough people are aware of that or even care.
Earth has a LOOONNNGGGG way to go. Decades, if not centuries.
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The news is starting to slowly roll out information about circadian rhythms, I mean it gets a couple minutes and goes right to something else -- but it's a start.
The first one I saw was about blue light, and it referenced Harvard. The second one (about a year later -- haha it's not everyday they do this) was about schools starting at 7 A.M. is way too early, and some people have to wake up at 5:45 in the morning, -- the parents are upset about it too! Maybe we'll get somewhere soon.
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@timpster said:
The news is starting to slowly roll out information about circadian rhythms, I mean it gets a couple minutes and goes right to something else -- but it's a start.
The first one I saw was about blue light, and it referenced Harvard. The second one (about a year later -- haha it's not everyday they do this) was about schools starting at 7 A.M. is way too early, and some people have to wake up at 5:45 in the morning, -- the parents are upset about it too! Maybe we'll get somewhere soon.
Yeah, it's almost as though the masses are still just a bunch of infants who are barely learning how to crawl at this point. Or something like that. You can't expect an infant to graduate college until they've been through years and years and years of schooling. Even then, graduating isn't easy.
Somehow, somewhere along the line people like you and me graduated and now we are totally awake and aware of these things while the rest of the world continues sleeping. Most of them are several hours from waking up, if you want to use a one night analogy. So, most of them would get really angry if you disturbed their sleep. So, we have to be extremely patient and careful with everyone.
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Well, as much as you think humanity isn't there yet, it's getting better. Go to amazon (just because it seems so popular) and look up 25 watt red LED bulbs. Read a few of the reviews. Then, look up GE PM align bulb, and the reviews there are similar. It's certainly getting better, it will probably be 10 years at most before a majority understands the impacts of bright white light at night.
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Yeah, I know. I'm actually well aware of that, and I was taking all that into consideration. Things like this always take decades though, especially when you're fighting against 100+ years of brainwashing and ignorance. This is probably the first time for Earth humans to be thinking about this stuff.
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The Silk light presented a product that was what I've been wanting and looking for. Too bad funding was unsuccessful. Here's hoping they continue or get a private investor or something.
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@adamlogan What's strange is that a much more high end product got over double it's requested funding. They are both great products, and it would be nice to see the cheaper products have a large market too.
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@timpster you are alluding to the Ario light right? I like the concept a lot, and would back it, except it's really not appropriate in my room. My room is the size of a walk in closet. I would want a tiny bedside lamp, or even better, a light bulb to go in the 3 way ceiling fixture. All I can think of is that they didn't advertise right or have a viral strategy.
Apparently Saffron is still thinking about going to market with the Silk light. They're working on pushing out the Drift TV (removes blues from TV by putting a box between monitor and source device), they're thinking about making the drift tv the bridge for the silk light.
Update March 12th, 2016: Drift TV is now available for purchase (and sold out!), and the Silk is still in development, the Silk website has been updated and looks gorgeous. Sign ups for email on release is available.
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@adamlogan Drift TV already exists, it's called color filter gel. No need for a box. But still a good idea I guess.
I think the lamp would fit in your room, just slide the base under a desk or bed. It would really wake you in the morning!
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The price of the Ario does make my stomach churn a bit $244 for a single smart floor lamp. I'm not even sure it's something I could pass down to my children or something considering how fast technology goes obsolete these days.
I sleep on the floor on a small pad that is slightly smaller than a twin bed. I flip my bed up against the wall and my yoga mat is right there under where my bed was. To give you an idea of how small my room is, my room measures about 7 x 8 pieces of letter sized paper with a recessed closet that is 2 x 2 pieces of paper. A floor to ceiling lamp would take up too much precious real estate in my room, and look wrong besides. The only way I could see myself doing this is if I built a "draw bridge" into the wall for my bed a couple feet off the ground. Probably not going to happen. I have a floor lamp similar to this floor lamp from target.already, but it works because it does double duty providing me with some shelving for my necessities that a nightstand normally would (wallet, keys, phone, books, glasses etc).
A light bulb or smaller light fixture would be best for my room. Not to mention, having smart lights that emulate the sun is most beneficial if it's somewhat consistent thought the whole house where people spend time.
