Body later?
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@Ryrynz said in Body later?:
@TwoCables Why do you not seem to understand English? A body simply cannot be late.
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@lorna said in Body later?:
@Ryrynz said in Body later?:
@TwoCables Why do you not seem to understand English? A body simply cannot be late.
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Would be a comment about someone's understanding of the English language.Thank you. You're absolutely correct.
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@TwoCables It's just a shame the English isn't.
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@Ryrynz said in Body later?:
@TwoCables It's just a shame the English isn't.
For the last time, it's correct. You only think it's incorrect because you don't know what it's actually saying. If you knew, then you would be able to see just how perfect and correct the English is. As I said, do the research on the science. If you refuse to do that, then just drop it because this is going nowhere.
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@Ryrynz It's a new way of talking about the body. We want to get the science right. The English can be "wrong" until the rest of the world catches up. ¯\(ツ)/¯
@lorna
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@Ryrynz Read about the recent Nobel Prize award in Physiology/Medicine 2017:
https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2017/advanced-medicineprize2017.pdf -
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@TwoCables "you don't know what it's actually saying"
LOL, that's the whole point. It's pidgin English and does not communicate any information. For the last time, it's a useless statement.
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@TwoCables Why are you so committed to this bad English being correct when it is so clearly incorrect?
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@TwoCables Why don't you explain what it means, then? Instead of defending the indefensible? If it was useful English, this conversation wouldn't be happening. Wow.
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@adavies4756 I agree with your assessment of this sentence basically being pidgin English, the process is late, not the body. A single processes or even all processes within the body are not known as the body, so therefore a body cannot be late or later.
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I have to admit, it puzzled me a bit too. I thought it might have been, "light makes your body 'go to sleep' later".
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From what I understand so far, describing with only a few words (and broader than just melatonin and sleep).
The body in combination with the rest of the environment, functions as a clock. Therefore the body can be earlier or later when the environment is not what the body expects to sense. If the clock runs out of sync, it will have relative negative (energy) consequences and the amount of "work" the body can perform (life) decreases. Less energy equals being more sick. No energy equals being dead.
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@lorna said in Body later?:
¯_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Here, you can have an extra arm (I think that's how it works, sorry if you have extra arms!
It requires three right arms (on the left side).
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Sigh. I'm tired of this.
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@Tungsten_smooth Hey thanks! TIL. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Le-Pham you are on the right track.
@rwvlasblom wins the "took the time to read and understand the information in this thread" award.
Thanks to those of you who are taking the time to weigh in on the language use here. We are reading all of your reactions and opinions with interest, both the good and the bad. The complaint that it doesn't convey useful information is a fair one as clearly the current language doesn't covey useful information to several people talking about it here. As we've said before, this is a work in progress and it's difficult to simplify. How we talk about it (and the words we use) will change over time.
I love the passion here, thank you for sharing your perspectives. A reminder to all to keep things polite. Repeated personal attacks on other users, pot-stirring by trying to start an argument, and opening multiple threads about a topic will all result in getting a cool-down period from the forum.
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@Le-Pham It turns out that sleep and circadian rhythms are only somewhat related, and getting them to line up is why this is all so difficult.
If the two things (your need for sleep and your circadian rhythms) are aligned, you might find it easier to fall asleep at night (but you still have to go to bed). There are times in the circadian day when it is much harder to fall asleep, and especially for older people, there are circadian times that will tend to wake you up, maybe before you intended to.
We think circadian biology is fundamental enough to health that we should not over-simplify to imply that it "causes" sleep or anything like that. It's a separate process and it controls a majority of the systems in the body.
But the circadian clock IS the clock from the body's perspective.
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Hi all,
So, if I understand correctly, it is about letting your body's internal clock synchronize with the natural day and light rythm to be healty again (like living in the woods or something), and thus, feeling better or les miserable.
Could it be an idea to have a quote saying: "Using F.lux helps to synchronize your body with nature's (natural) rythm?"
I would use the words "synchronize" (desynchronize) and "harmonize" instead of "later" and "earlier", which I feel is rather blunt and needs more of an explanation.
