Body later?



  • Text says "Getting sleepy? Light is making your body later"
    Which doesn't make any sense.



  • It makes perfect sense once you fully understand exactly what it means. It is actually perfect grammar.


  • f.lux team

    Maybe we should make it clickable so we can explain it!

    For about half the day, light you see adjusts your internal clock to be later (as if you're traveling west) - this is what happens when you see light at night.

    And for the other half, your clock will go earlier with light, when you see light in the morning.

    So you're trying to see if it's misaligned with your environment and fix its estimate - light at night? too early, go later. light in the morning? too late, go earlier.

    The graph in the f.lux UI is trying to show how sensitive you are at different times, and this text tells you which direction the light will affect you.



  • You could reword it to say "Light is reaching your body earlier", or "Light is hitting your body earlier".
    You could even go as far as to say "Light is reaching your body earlier than before"



  • @Benjamin-Gordon said in Body later?:

    You could reword it to say "Light is reaching your body earlier", or "Light is hitting your body earlier".
    You could even go as far as to say "Light is reaching your body earlier than before"

    That's not what it's saying though. It is saying that light exposure is making your body's circadian timing earlier or later.



  • @TwoCables Yeah that's proper English. My body "being later" is not. A body cannot be late.



  • @Ryrynz said in Body later?:

    @TwoCables Yeah that's proper English. My body "being later" is not. A body cannot be late.

    Yes it can, when you understand all of this more. I'm sure Herf can help with that.


  • f.lux team

    Well, in fact your body is made of clocks, and all those clocks can indeed be late. Think of jetlag - if the time you want to sleep is later than the time you are allowed to sleep, your body is running later than your environment.

    Regarding the text, we have a huge document with 50 variations of this text, and we never picked one that we thought was significantly better. I guess we will talk to more people and try to figure it out.



  • @herf my body is not a clock though.



  • @Ryrynz said in Body later?:

    @herf my body is not a clock though.

    Why are you being so difficult? Don't you understand what he's saying?



  • @TwoCables Why do you not seem to understand English? A body simply cannot be late.



  • @Ryrynz said in Body later?:

    @TwoCables Why do you not seem to understand English? A body simply cannot be late.

    As I told you, it makes perfect sense if you understand what it's saying. Since you think it makes no sense, you still have a lot to understand about this stuff. This isn't a cut; it's just a fact.



  • @TwoCables Sorry, this is not good English. The circadian clock can be out of sync.. it cannot be late. And specifying the circadian clock as "your body" is just bad.



  • Then do the research on the science so that you can see just how perfect the use of English is here.


  • f.lux team

    A reminder: personal attacks are not allowed on this forum so please keep it civil. Comments about someone else's understanding of the English language are not okay - people come to this forum from all over the world. Native and non-native English speakers are equally welcome.

    As we've explained, the wording is intentional. Hopefully it will become more clear as we develop the software around some of these concepts - our way to talk about this concept is evolving as well. We understand that many people feel strongly about comparative adjectives and we always appreciate hearing politely stated opinions,



  • @lorna there hasn't been any comment about anyone's understanding of the English language.. I just said it's bad use of it. A body can be aged it can be tired it can be sick it can be hungry, It cannot be late. Can someone tell me how I could make my body earlier? Thanks.


  • f.lux team

    I think people have a tendency to ignore how universal the circadian clock is.

    If you were observing animals and one did all its daily activities four hours later than the rest, you might say it was "late". You wouldn't need to specify that one brain region that entrains millions of other clocks in the body was phase-delayed.

    Well over half the biological processes in the body respond to light-based entrainment. There are millions of clocks that all listen to this signal. And so we might be over-simplifying, but it is for a good reason, that we think it is important! (And we have a UI without room for two paragraphs, but that's another thing.)

    And anyway, if you want to make your body earlier tomorrow, you should go see bright light in the morning.


  • f.lux team

    @Ryrynz said in Body later?:

    @TwoCables Why do you not seem to understand English? A body simply cannot be late.

    ^
    Would be a comment about someone's understanding of the English language.



  • @lorna said in Body later?:

    @Ryrynz said in Body later?:

    @TwoCables Why do you not seem to understand English? A body simply cannot be late.

    ^
    Would be a comment about someone's understanding of the English language.

    Thank you. You're absolutely correct.



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  • @TwoCables It's just a shame the English isn't.



  • @Ryrynz said in Body later?:

    @TwoCables It's just a shame the English isn't.

    For the last time, it's correct. You only think it's incorrect because you don't know what it's actually saying. If you knew, then you would be able to see just how perfect and correct the English is. As I said, do the research on the science. If you refuse to do that, then just drop it because this is going nowhere.


  • f.lux team

    @Ryrynz It's a new way of talking about the body. We want to get the science right. The English can be "wrong" until the rest of the world catches up. ¯_(ツ)_/¯



  • @Ryrynz Read about the recent Nobel Prize award in Physiology/Medicine 2017:
    https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2017/advanced-medicineprize2017.pdf


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