Disable Wake-Up feature?



  • Any way of disabling this? I just installed the beta since i saw some good gaming features.

    My sleep pattern is not consistent and sometimes i'm awake at night so the wake-up feature just dimm my screen when it shouldn't at this point. I have my location on there to dimm at night and go back to normal at sunrise.

    Not sure what the purpose of this feature is since it dimms for me in the day aswell when it's bright outside?

    alt text



  • No, there is no way to disable it.

    I don't have a consistent sleep/wake cycle either. I can never predict when I'll be asleep next and when I'll wake up. I just do it as needed. So, I don't let f.lux do anything for me automatically. I don't even allow it to start with Windows (I delete the Registry subkey that makes it start with Windows).

    So, I only launch f.lux when I want to be using it (like when I know I'll be going to sleep in a couple of hours). I keep all 3 modes (Daytime, Sunset and Bedtime) set to 800K using Alt+Shift+Page Down so that it goes straight to 800K when I launch it regardless of what time it is.

    So, due to not having a consistent sleep/wake cycle, I really can't have f.lux doing anything for me automatically. It would just never work for me. If you don't have a consistent sleep/wake cycle either (and you said you don't), then I recommend doing things the way that I do them. If you don't have a consistent sleep/wake cycle, then you can't let f.lux do anything automatically either. You're telling f.lux that you wake up at 2:15 pm, and so of course f.lux is going to act weird for you.

    Alright, so here's an example of what I was talking about: I am awake right now, so f.lux isn't running. By "isn't running", I mean that flux.exe isn't running. It's not open. F.lux is not launched right now. Like I said, I don't let f.lux start with Windows. I launch it as needed instead. That way, the next time I wake up and turn my computer on, f.lux won't be running until I launch it. I think I woke up today at about 4pm, and so the next time I go to sleep will probably be roughly noon the next day. Regardless of when I want to go to sleep next though, I will launch f.lux and it will instantly go to 800K for me and I'll be ready to begin getting sleepy.

    I also block out 100% of the daylight that comes in through my windows using this: https://blackoutez.com/ That way, when I want it to be nighttime during the day, I just put those up. Of course, I also switch to blue-free indoor lighting. It's very important.

    So yeah, I think you need to start using f.lux pretty manually unless you can find a way to get into a consistent sleep/wake schedule.



  • i'ts been a good application until i tried the beta more or less. the location dimm works wonders for me but not sure why they implemented the wake time override to dimm on non-location times.

    i sit at the computer pretty much all the time and i had some trouble with my eyes at night where they started to hurt. i got eyedrops for it but f.lux fixed it with the dimming.

    i'll revert to the normal application instead if it's what you said, not being able to disable it.

    i had it set to a weird time at night and the screen flashbanged me at 2am by "waking up" :D.



  • You said you don't have a consistent sleep/wake cycle, so why are you allowing f.lux to do anything automatically?



  • When the sun goes down the brightness of the screen is straining on my eyes more and more until they hurt. with the location dimm feature it dimms it when it starts to get dark and undimm when the sun comes up again.



  • @Hetsig said in Disable Wake-Up feature?:

    When the sun goes down the brightness of the screen is straining on my eyes more and more until they hurt. with the location dimm feature it dimms it when it starts to get dark and undimm when the sun comes up again.

    So then set your Bedtime color to match the color it goes to at sunset. Problem solved.



  • and manually edit the wake up override when the sun starts to go down faster?



  • @Hetsig said in Disable Wake-Up feature?:

    and manually edit the wake up override when the sun starts to go down faster?

    All you have to do is change the color temperature in Bedtime mode to match the color temperature that you have set for the color temperature that it goes to after sunset. After you do that, it will seem like there's no longer a Bedtime mode.

    Of course, if f.lux goes into Bedtime mode after sunrise, then you will have to readjust it to match your daytime color - which is why you might want to consider operating f.lux manually like I do.



  • you can disable the wake up thing which i did, but if you use the arrows before the "is my earliest wake time" and spin it around it will cycle the night dimm to the day too. the bedtime dimm isn't the issue.

    you see the gap in the dimm on the image? that's because the wake-up is at that time.

    i guess it's so when you're newly woken up it dimms it for you but there's no reason to dimm with daylight outside.



  • That wake-up time controls when Bedtime mode comes on. That's what you're not understanding, I think. You cannot disable it. You can only change the time.

    Seriously, you should just operate f.lux the way that I do. We both don't have a consistent sleep/wake cycle, so we both shouldn't attempt to let f.lux do anything automatically.



  • i'll reinstall it and try again i guess.

    installed it
    alt text
    currently not dimmed as it should.

    changed earliest wake time
    alt text
    it dimmed even with daylight outside.

    as far as i can see, the earliest wake time thing is only disrupting the location time. i could set the wake up time at night but that means it will flashbang me at 2am again.



  • the non beta looks like this
    alt text

    when the "sun" icon is under that yellow-ish line it'll dimm my screen and when it's above it it will brighten it up again. no disruption with any wake up things since i'm not really using the application for that. only to lighten the stress of my eyes when it's dark.

    i mean, i use it on automatically since i can't see the reason to manually do it. if i were to manually change i would forget it and need to use eyedrops again. when i wake up at 2am i want it dimmed since it's too bright when it's not, and when i wake up at 4pm i want it normal since it doesn't stress my eyes during the day.



  • What you're not seeing though is, it exits Bedtime Mode when you will be waking up in less than 1 hour (according to your set wake-up time).

    A part of it too is, you are using the very slow transition speed.

    There's a lot you're not understanding. I think I should try to figure out what you don't understand so that I can give you the understanding so that you're no longer having any problems with the beta f.lux.

    Even with the fastest transition speed, f.lux exits bedtime mode when you will be waking up in 20 minutes or less. I am learning this as I am talking to you here by just experimenting with f.lux so that I can figure out what problems you're having. You just have to play with this program more.



  • @Hetsig said in Disable Wake-Up feature?:

    the non beta looks like this
    alt text

    when the "sun" icon is under that yellow-ish line it'll dimm my screen and when it's above it it will brighten it up again. no disruption with any wake up things since i'm not really using the application for that. only to lighten the stress of my eyes when it's dark.

    i mean, i use it on automatically since i can't see the reason to manually do it. if i were to manually change i would forget it and need to use eyedrops again. when i wake up at 2am i want it dimmed since it's too bright when it's not, and when i wake up at 4pm i want it normal since it doesn't stress my eyes during the day.

    I just told you why you should do it manually: You don't have a consistent sleep/wake cycle. It's very easy to do it the way that I do it.



  • that's kind of why i'm questioning the feature. why undimm my screen when i don't have a regular sleep schedule?
    why would it want to undimm when i'm not looking at the screen to see it in the first place?
    why undimm at 2am if i set my wake timer at 2am when the whole purpose of the application is to unstress your eyes when the screen is very bright and no other light is present?

    i understand the application, i just don't understand the feature that brighten my screen at 2am because it's set to wake up mode at that time whilst it's set to also dimm at night.



  • You're talking like f.lux was made just for you and no one else. Most people have a consistent sleep/wake cycle.



  • you're misunderstanding my issue entirely if that's what you got out of it.
    i live in sweden and let's say in winter times when the sun goes up at 1pm and goes down 4pm. even with normal sleep schedule, why would you want a bright screen at 9am when it's dark outside?



  • @Hetsig said in Disable Wake-Up feature?:

    you're misunderstanding my issue entirely if that's what you got out of it.
    i live in sweden and let's say in winter times when the sun goes up at 1pm and goes down 4pm. even with normal sleep schedule, why would you want a bright screen at 9am when it's dark outside?

    When you're awake and ready to do your daily activities indoors, do you not have your indoor lighting on? Or is your computer monitor the only source of light in your room when it's dark out? I don't see any problem with it if you have your room's lights on too. However, if you have all your lights off and your monitor is the only source of light, then yeah of course your eyes are going to hurt with a bright monitor and f.lux is set to 6500K.

    Maybe you should turn your lights on and turn the monitor's backlight brightness down.



  • it's the only source yes. if everybody have their lights on during the night there wouldn't be a need to dimm your screen to reduce stress on the eyes.

    i guess i'll wait until hopefully an option to disable it gets updated. it's in beta after all.

    snippet from the website: "During the day, computer screens look good—they're designed to look like the sun. But, at 9PM, 10PM, or 3AM, you probably shouldn't be looking at the sun.". and i'll add "also shouldn't have batman signals to light up your surroundings" to it.

    "f.lux makes your computer screen look like the room you're in, all the time. When the sun sets, it makes your computer look like your indoor lights. In the morning, it makes things look like sunlight again."



  • It's the only source. There you go. That's why your eyes hurt when it's dark out. Why don't you just turn on some lights? I mean seriously, you are hurting your eyes by using your computer in total darkness. That's why your eyes hurt. That's why you need eyedrops. Do some research on this kind of stuff. I'm not just making this up to impress anyone. I'm trying to help you. You should never use a computer in total darkness for extended periods of time like that.



  • and that's why i installed f.lux. the beta made it 6500k at night when it shouldn't which is why i'm typing in the forum.

    read what the actual application is providing first before replying with "turn your lights on?".
    you sound like a car repairman telling a person whose car broke to "why not take the bus instead?".



  • You do what you want then. Fine. I told you what you should know. If you don't want to turn on some lights (which is what you should do when it's dark out), then fine. Keep suffering. I can't care. I can only tell you what you should know. You do the rest. I can only take care of myself.

    F.lux wasn't created so that people can use their computer in total darkness.



  • i know why my eyes hurt dude, you're not reading?
    you do know what f.lux is for , right? to dimm the damn screen at night and to make it bright when it's daylight outside.

    you're saying i shouldn't use the application as it was intended to be used which is very weird.

    yes it was, read the website.



  • @Hetsig said in Disable Wake-Up feature?:

    i know why my eyes hurt dude, you're not reading?
    you do know what f.lux is for , right? to dimm the damn screen at night and to make it bright when it's daylight outside.

    you're saying i shouldn't use the application as it was intended to be used which is very weird.

    yes it was, read the website.

    Yes, of course I know what f.lux is for. I have been following the f.lux team almost since their humble beginnings (I know the story of how f.lux got started - Michael and Lorna told me all about it). So, I'll tell you what it's for so that you know I"m not full of hot air:

    Computer monitors produce light that has way too much blue in it. Blue light suppresses melatonin production (and it interrupts it once it has started). The purpose of f.lux is to make it possible to use your computer during the last few hours of your day (before you go to sleep) without suppressing melatonin production or delaying it or interrupting it. So, thanks to f.lux, a person can be 1 hour away from bedtime, turn their computer on, and with f.lux set to like 1200K, they can safely use their computer as much as they need to without the computer being the cause of their melatonin production being suppressed, delayed and/or interrupted.

    So thanks to f.lux, a computer no longer has to be the sleep killer, or the destroyer of a good circadian rhythm. Yes, there are a lot of other light sources in a home that can destroy a good circadian rhythm, but it seems impossible to live life without using the computer and so that's where f.lux comes in. You can use blue-free lighting in your home and avoid the T.V., but try avoiding the computer. It's not easy to avoid it. There are too many things that require the use of the computer.

    So, f.lux was not created with the intention of giving stress relief to the eyes. It was created with the intention of not destroying a good circadian rhythm. It just so happens that f.lux can ALSO be used to help reduce eyestrain, but again that is NOT why f.lux was created. It's just something that users have discovered they can use it for. That's all. There's nothing more to it than that. F.lux was never intended to give people the ability to use their computer in total darkness. It is physically harmful to our eyes to do that, AND THAT IS WHY YOUR EYES HURT. That's why you need those eyedrops! When it's dark out, you should turn on your indoor lights so that you can balance the brightness between your indoor lights and your monitor so that you don't hurt your eyes. You might regret it later in life if you don't stop using your computer in total darkness now.

    It's fine to use the computer in total darkness for maybe an hour or 2 like when watching a movie, but for extended use like you're doing is just not safe. I don't understand your logic or your reasoning behind using your computer in total darkness. You said it yourself that your eyes hurt when you're using your computer in total darkness. That should be a major sign that you're actually HURTING your eyes. What would be the harm in turning some indoor lights on? I don't get it. Just turn some lights on.

    Look at me as an example: it's pitch black out right now (it's nighttime for me), but I don't even have f.lux running. I have my lights on and my eyes are as comfortable as can be. If I were to turn my lights off and use my computer in total darkness, then yeah of course my eyes would begin to hurt! That's because it's harmful. I'm not going to turn my lights off and set f.lux to some super warm color temperature. That only hurts the color accuracy and my enjoyment of my computer. No, instead, when I'm awake, I'm always going to have my room brightly lit so that it's cheerful and energizing with a monitor setting that's just bright enough so that everything is easy to see on it but no f.lux. I don't need to use f.lux until I want to begin avoiding blue light when I am ready to begin ending my day, regardless of what time that ends up being - whether it's noon or midnight. I go to sleep when I need to. If I need to reduce any eyestrain during my wake time, I'll reduce my monitor's backlight brightness instead.

    You're doing yourself way more harm than good by using your computer in total darkness like that, even if you set f.lux to like 1200K. There's a very good reason why your eyes hurt and why you ended up needing special eye drops.



  • i don't know why you're explaining how my eyes hurt, nor why i needed to know how long you've known the developers. i know why they hurt and that's why i started using f.lux to reduce that, but when the wake thing brightens up the screen at 2am or dimms at 4pm, that's an issue. i haven't used eyedrops for over 6 months and that's thanks to f.lux entirely and i thank them for that.

    it's like having an alarm clock that asks when you normally wake up and when set you can't turn off the alarm timer and it'll ring everyday the same time even when you're awake. that's not a good alarm clock.

    now i'm not sure what you think i'm saying but i personally don't think the wake up feature should be removed. there's people that have a need for that feature and i don't want to remove something that people need. the feature of dimming on certain times to make you sleepy so you can have a normal sleep schedule is brilliant, but there's more than 1 way to use f.lux and i don't want it to be only 1 way. more options is always a good thing.

    having my lights on through the night negates the reason why i'm currently using f.lux, which works just fine.

    it seems you're using f.lux to relax your eyes when you need to sleep and that's fine. that's one reason to use f.lux but that doesn't mean it's the only reason everybody's using f.lux and it's weird you think that despite calling me selfish for using it my way (and i know i'm not the only one lurking in the night on the computer with my lights off like a neckbeard). how dare you using it in an other way than mine, right?

    all i'm saying is that i just want to use the location timezone dimm feature like the normal application does wonders with. a "disable" wake time feature that's already there for some of the other features would be perfect and would make everyone happy. dimm when the sun goes down, brighten when the sun goes up.

    seeing you're this defensive of me bringing this up sparks a question; were you this defensive with the non-beta version as well? the non-beta works just as i've described it does. just seems freaky to call me shit whilst the non-beta is exactly what my problem with the beta is.


  • f.lux team

    Locking topic for review.


  • f.lux team

    the "classic f.lux" preset may help.
    Also setting your wake time slightly earlier can help.


Log in to reply
 

Looks like your connection to f.lux forum was lost, please wait while we try to reconnect.