f.lux beta discussion



  • Auto-update has never worked for me.

    Installed the beta a few days ago, just noticed today a webpage "your f.lux build is updating" had opened with Change Notes for v4.19, but my running version is still v4.18.

    I'm running Windows 10 x64 Fast Ring build (currently Version 1703 build 15063.14)



  • Why f.lux doesn´t automatically start in W10?
    The icon is in the tray but doesn´t start and i have to do it manually and that almost kills my eyes...



  • Transitions still need to be smoother, but I have a feeling you're fully aware of it and are working on it. For some reason, it's not consistent: sometimes transitions are butter-smooth and other times they can be kinda choppy. It seems the more often I make a transition happen, the choppier it becomes. I especially notice this for the feature of disabling for the current program. Going back and forth between the program f.lux is disabled for the first time or two is smooth, but then it gets worse and worse.

    Setting my location no longer lets me be quite as precise as before (which was fun). In f.lux v3, I could type numbers after the decimal and it would change as I typed. Now it seems to only allow 1 decimal. I kinda miss the extra precision. It was fun.

    I think it would be nice if I could prevent Darkroom Mode from being enabled by pressing Alt+Page Down all the way to the bottom, so to speak. It's not really a problem, but I guess it's just a preference because I'm not used to it.

    I'd like a way to make the main single-slider adjust all 3 colors at the same time.

    If I disable the wider slider range while I have any color selected that's outside the normal range of 1900K - 6500K, like let's say even 6550K or 1850K (so, even just 1 increment outside), that temperature remains selected until I touch the slider button. Of course, there's always 1 or 2 sliders on the 3-slider side of the UI that don't change when I move the main single-slider, depending on the current mode that f.lux is in.

    I think the increments for changing the color with the keyboard shortcut should be changed to 50 or 100 so that going from 800K to 6500K is possible. Right now, it can only go up to 6300K or 6550K.

    It might be nice to have an easier way to toggle between the single slider and the 3 sliders. It seems a little on the clunky side to have to go into the menu to go to the 3-sliders but then to just have convenient button to press to go back.

    I think enabling Movie Mode should force Movie Mode on no matter what. Right now, it seems it will only work fully if I have a color temperature selected that's warmer than 4400K.

    It might be nice to be able to choose how long it takes for the f.lux window to hide, similar to how we can choose how long an OSD menu stays up for in a monitor's options.

    I think I would enjoy more precision for when the sunrise or sunset will be or was, meaning I think it should also include the minutes. For example, right now on my computer, it just says "Sunset: 4 hours ago". It was actually 4 hours and 3 minutes ago, so I think it would be nice if it said that. Or like when I noticed this, it was actually 3 hours and 53 minutes ago instead of 4 hours ago. I know that simplicity is better, but still. Maybe this could be an option. I'm also referring to what we see when hovering the mouse over the Notification Area icon.



  • @sitayi2308 said in f.lux beta discussion:

    Why f.lux doesn´t automatically start in W10?
    The icon is in the tray but doesn´t start and i have to do it manually and that almost kills my eyes...

    The only things I can think of is, you still have to set your location. Or you have to configure f.lux to your preferred color temperature and also your wake-up time.

    So, the real problem is that f.lux is starting with Windows 10 for you, but it's not changing the color temperature at night. Is that right?



  • YES! thats exactly that problem! While the older version worked fine, since yesterday that i have to click in the icon and then it gets working...



  • @sitayi2308 said in f.lux beta discussion:

    YES! thats exactly that problem! While the older version worked fine, since yesterday that i have to click in the icon and then it gets working...

    When you say "the older version", do you mean f.lux v3, the one that we've had for a few years now? If so, then it would be best to uninstall f.lux, then verify that f.lux.exe is actually gone (using Task Manager), reboot, and then install the Beta fresh. You will have to reconfigure everything and reset your location, but this should make it work.



  • @TwoCables I just did that, erased everything about f.lux in the computer and fresh installed the beta versiorn, then rebooted and still the same problem. I must click in the icon to f.lux start working....



  • @sitayi2308 said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @TwoCables I just did that, erased everything about f.lux in the computer and fresh installed the beta versiorn, then rebooted and still the same problem. I must click in the icon to f.lux start working....

    It sounds to me like something else is overriding f.lux. Windows 10's new blue light filter? Something else?



  • @TwoCables no... could it be a bug?



  • @sitayi2308 said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @TwoCables no... could it be a bug?

    I'm not sure. You're not the only one using f.lux 4.19 in Windows 10, so I don't know.



  • I LOVE F.LUX!!! It makes my HTPC (for TV) and work PC so less abrasive.

    I did have a few features that would really help out in a home automation scenario:

    1. Simpler scheduling. I wanted to echo others comments that it is hard to get the precises schedule.
    2. Triggers Modes Manually. It would be great to be able to force the mode (daytime, sunset, bedtime) in the app from an external source (i.e. via the cmd line switch "flux.exe /mode:bedtime"). This would solve issue #1 as I could use my home automation system to control modes (it does already have a bedtime mode).


  • Just when I thought f.lux was dead and was ready to use Windows 10 Night light feature instead, a new update comes adding much more than welcome features! :)
    Here's my feedback:

    1. The option that extends the slider not only should extend it up to 9300k. but it should also extend it down to 800k.
    2. I like the color presets, but it's confusing they don't get affected by the temperature settings. For example, if I set it to Hymalayan salt lamp I wish I could make it less intense (not dimmer)? By increasing the temperature when needed. Makes sense? If I'm not wrong they are just slightly different (sometimes way different) color hues.
    3. Being able to set custom steps (including the ability to increase the number of them)/duration of the daytime/sunset/bedtime/+ phases from the UI for power users for special circumstances like the one someone brought up above. And being able to save them and then select them from the preset list in the upper right corner.
      -- 3.5. If possible make it possible to select "Reduce eye strain" or "Macular light" or any of the other filters during a particular phase. I'd love to use Macular light during daylight then have it slowly transition into the regular ember light as the next phase approaches.
    4. Being able to create custom color presets/hues from the UI! I would like sometimes to set an hypnagogic purple color reminicent of the retro color filter vaporwave videos you can find on YouTube :P (please, if that feature isn't coming soon, at least make it a preset, alongside "Emerald City" "Macular pigment" and the others!)

    EDIT: Also please let us select a dim level alongside the temperatures of any phase! I have a tasker script on android that auto dims the backlight as night time approaches. Maybe make a "dim as it gets warmer" option (I think that was an option in f.lux 3?... or was it "warm as it gets dimmer?".. hm....)


  • f.lux team

    4.20 is posted and updating.

    • some lower-impact "background" changes, with fixes (I hope) for the reported cases where the f.lux colors go away
    • Also added a "software mouse cursor" toggle in Options so you can get a non-white cursor more easily


  • @herf The software mouse cursor option works, and it's much appreciated :D



  • Just one thing: Do not overload f.lux with options! I like the usability of it as it is right now.



  • @Alexx said in f.lux beta discussion:

    Just one thing: Do not overload f.lux with options! I like the usability of it as it is right now.

    Yeah, he's working very hard on that.


  • f.lux team

    @Alexx agree :)


  • f.lux team

    @TwoCables Oh we overload it all the time. Shipping means removing everything that doesn't look like the finished product. That's what takes us so damn long :laughing:



  • @oddMLan said in f.lux beta discussion:

    Just when I thought f.lux was dead and was ready to use Windows 10 Night light feature instead, a new update comes adding much more than welcome features! :)
    Here's my feedback:

    1. The option that extends the slider not only should extend it up to 9300k. but it should also extend it down to 800k.
    2. I like the color presets, but it's confusing they don't get affected by the temperature settings. For example, if I set it to Hymalayan salt lamp I wish I could make it less intense (not dimmer)? By increasing the temperature when needed. Makes sense? If I'm not wrong they are just slightly different (sometimes way different) color hues.
    3. Being able to set custom steps (including the ability to increase the number of them)/duration of the daytime/sunset/bedtime/+ phases from the UI for power users for special circumstances like the one someone brought up above. And being able to save them and then select them from the preset list in the upper right corner.
      -- 3.5. If possible make it possible to select "Reduce eye strain" or "Macular light" or any of the other filters during a particular phase. I'd love to use Macular light during daylight then have it slowly transition into the regular ember light as the next phase approaches.
    4. Being able to create custom color presets/hues from the UI! I would like sometimes to set an hypnagogic purple color reminicent of the retro color filter vaporwave videos you can find on YouTube :P (please, if that feature isn't coming soon, at least make it a preset, alongside "Emerald City" "Macular pigment" and the others!)

    EDIT: Also please let us select a dim level alongside the temperatures of any phase! I have a tasker script on android that auto dims the backlight as night time approaches. Maybe make a "dim as it gets warmer" option (I think that was an option in f.lux 3?... or was it "warm as it gets dimmer?".. hm....)

    The option in f.lux v3 you're thinking of was for laptops where f.lux could warm up the color temperature when you reduced your laptop's brightness. That's all that was.

    I think people would think it's a bug if their preset could be affected by their selected color temperature. After all, what if you select Blue Sky but you can make it red? That wouldn't make any sense and some people would hate that they have to select 6500K just to get their preset to look correct (at least based on its name). I mean, why have presets with these names if you can just make them be any color you want? Why not instead just select the color temperature you want with the slider instead and avoid the presets?

    You can still press Alt+Page Down and Alt+Page Up to adjust the black level (a software brightness control). This can help make the Presets less intense. Or, just use the new keyboard shortcut for adjusting the color temperature until you get what you want, and avoid the presets altogether.



  • Michael and Lorna, I am very concerned about the software mouse cursor option because this will make the mouse cursor in many video games become invisible.



  • @TwoCables If that happens i will disable that option before playing :)



  • @TwoCables I never had any problems with the mouse cursor at all...



  • @sitayi2308 said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @TwoCables If that happens i will disable that option before playing :)

    You will have to log out of Windows or restart Windows first, but yeah.



  • @Alexx said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @TwoCables I never had any problems with the mouse cursor at all...

    That's good, but when you force the mouse cursor to be rendered like this, some video games will end up with an invisible cursor.

    I've been posting this fact on this forum for a couple of years now. So, I don't want any of you to think this is a problem with f.lux. It's not. It's Windows.



  • @TwoCables Right, I realize now it doesnt make much sense from a Kelvin standpoint. I guess a better approach would be just to be able to create new color presets, and adjust the color hue and intensity/white balance from there, as I mentioned in point 4. What if instead of Emerald City I want Sapphire City? Or Pink city? :P
    Although I realize that detracts from the main point of the app, which is help reduce eye strain and help you sleep better. Focus on what matters first, this is something very low priority.



  • @oddMLan said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @TwoCables Right, I realize now it doesnt make much sense from a Kelvin standpoint. I guess a better approach would be just to be able to create new color presets, and adjust the color hue and intensity/white balance from there, as I mentioned in point 4.

    I can already do that in the NVIDIA Control Panel.



  • With the new beta, my color temperature is always low when starting up the computer. Then to get the right daytime temperature, I have to click tray icon to open f.lux panel. Then it instantly changes to daytime. (No slow change).



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  • Please help me, I don't have any problems!



  • @Alexx said in f.lux beta discussion:

    Please help me, I don't have any problems!

    Here, download this virus...

    hehehe



  • I'd love to know more about how to read and use the curve that indicates when we're likely to be sensitive to light.

    Edit: I think I'm starting to understand. I put in the approximate time I woke up, and this is where the little orange/red ball is right now:

    0_1491484591752_f.lux.png

    As of right now, I have been awake for almost 14 hours. So, this makes sense: I'm getting more and more sensitive to light, and I'm getting close to my peak sensitivity. Judging from the way I am feeling right now and the way I have been feeling since I woke up and comparing it to this 'graph, I'd say it's fairly accurate.

    Am I reading it correctly?

    Here's what my copy of f.lux would look like if I were to try to imitate the Recommended Colors for waking up at 6:30 PM (sunrise time is about 6:45 AM):

    0_1491485014131_f.lux2.png

    Interesting.



  • Possible bug? Trying to hide f.lux from taskbar and found a bunch of other f.lux options.

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  • I think it's because Windows keeps a record of all the different icons to have been loaded into the Notification Area. So, I think the f.lux icon is getting refreshed.



  • @TwoCables also f.lux keeps showing up on my taskbar after rebooting even though i've hidden it, the other apps I've hidden aren't reappearing, just f.lux.



  • @TwoCables Overload it! But hide it under and "Advanced user" or "Advanced settings". Some people want to control the shit out of f.lux. For example, when exactly to warm the screen, to which temperature exactly, maybe many times a day.



  • @shanebrendan said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @TwoCables also f.lux keeps showing up on my taskbar after rebooting even though i've hidden it, the other apps I've hidden aren't reappearing, just f.lux.

    Yep. Like I said, I think that's because f.lux is refreshing its icon. Why not just leave it alone? Why do you have to hide it? It's a useful icon. If you hide it, then you have to unhide it just to access it.



  • @Fluxing said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @TwoCables Overload it! But hide it under and "Advanced user" or "Advanced settings". Some people want to control the shit out of f.lux. For example, when exactly to warm the screen, to which temperature exactly, maybe many times a day.

    Yeah. I know. I've been on this forum for a few years. lol It started out as a Disquss forum, so my join date on this forum doesn't represent my beginning with this community.



  • @TwoCables hmm alright thanks, hope this gets fixed. I just prefer my taskbar minimal as possible and I don't have usually need to access the icon, the app is so good I can just leave it be or use the hotkeys should I need to :)


  • f.lux team

    @Locheed which video card is this?



  • Hi there, long time user of f.lux. I was very happy to see a new version for Windows last night. I immediately uninstalled the old version (V3) and installed the beta. Looks great, though I wasn't able to sync my Philips Hue bridge with it. Is that feature not operational yet? Also, I always put my computer into sleep mode before going to bed and only the monitor turned off. I had to shut down the computer entirely. This morning after I rebooted it and left it running it didn't go to sleep on its own as well. I think f.lux might be preventing it from going to sleep.


  • f.lux team

    @Sleepy Yes we are preventing full sleep if you turn on the Hue controller....needs to be an option. This is mainly to fix the "lightswitch or power outage" problem where Hue comes on at 100% when you flip the power. For your laptop, is it staying awake on battery or just A/C power? (I hope it's only when you're plugged in.)

    Hue pairing questions:

    1. Is there any content at https://www.meethue.com/api/nupnp ? We fallback to UPnP but this is more reliable.
    2. Are you being prompted to push the pairing button? There should be a visible notifier for the first 30 seconds after turning on the feature (and then it will fail).
    3. Is your hue bridge up to date, and is it the original or v2?
    4. I use http://www.telerik.com/fiddler to debug Hue, so if you like you may be able to see what's going on there.

  • f.lux team

    @disqQ the new build (4.20) should sometimes show the "last 2" active apps so you can disable a game. Haven't tested this very much, but it may work.



  • Any chance we could get a 64 bit release now? :)



  • @TwoCables said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @dreadnaut said in f.lux beta discussion:

    • I would like to disable dimming completely, is there a configuration setting for that?

    Dimming? Or color temperature changing?

    Just the brightness dimming.



  • @dreadnaut said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @TwoCables said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @dreadnaut said in f.lux beta discussion:

    • I would like to disable dimming completely, is there a configuration setting for that?

    Dimming? Or color temperature changing?

    Just the brightness dimming.

    Do you mean you don't want it to dim when you press Alt+Page Down?



  • @TwoCables said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @dreadnaut said in f.lux beta discussion:

    Just the brightness dimming.

    Do you mean you don't want it to dim when you press Alt+Page Down?

    My screen became noticeably darker —less bright— at lower colour temperatures, which is something that didn't use to happen with v3: the colours would change, but the brightness would not vary. I sit in the same place and with the same light every evening, so I was surprised to have to increase the brightness of my screen.

    However, the effect seems now less noticeable, after updating to 4.20. Not sure if it's the preset changing, or something else.



  • Hey Mike, I love the Very Fast transition. F.lux goes from 6500K to 800K in about 3-4 seconds when I launch f.lux. I'd like that to be even faster, but hey.

    Can you make f.lux remember the last Dimming setting too?



  • @dreadnaut said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @TwoCables said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @dreadnaut said in f.lux beta discussion:

    Just the brightness dimming.

    Do you mean you don't want it to dim when you press Alt+Page Down?

    My screen became noticeably darker —less bright— at lower colour temperatures, which is something that didn't use to happen with v3: the colours would change, but the brightness would not vary. I sit in the same place and with the same light every evening, so I was surprised to have to increase the brightness of my screen.

    However, the effect seems now less noticeable, after updating to 4.20. Not sure if it's the preset changing, or something else.

    Yeah, this isn't adjustable in f.lux 4 Beta. He just made it much less pronounced in version 4.20 because other people didn't like it. We still can't control it.

    For me, the extra dimming made the reddest color have superior contrast than without the dimming. So now I dim manually.



  • @TwoCables said in f.lux beta discussion:

    Yeah, this isn't adjustable in f.lux 4 Beta. He just made it much less pronounced in version 4.20 because other people didn't like it. We still can't control it.

    Then I'm another person that doesn't like it. Mainly, because when the colour temperature changes I had to push the brightness up a notch manually to keep the same brightness. And in the morning, bring the brightness down again.

    What is the reason for the automatic brightness decrease?



  • @dreadnaut said in f.lux beta discussion:

    @TwoCables said in f.lux beta discussion:

    Yeah, this isn't adjustable in f.lux 4 Beta. He just made it much less pronounced in version 4.20 because other people didn't like it. We still can't control it.

    Then I'm another person that doesn't like it. Mainly, because when the colour temperature changes I had to push the brightness up a notch manually to keep the same brightness. And in the morning, bring the brightness down again.

    What is the reason for the automatic brightness decrease?

    I don't know. I'm guessing it's because we should be doing that anyway. Reducing the amount of blue light you're exposed to is only half the battle.


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