Night Shift and f.lux comparison
The issue is that large tech companies are confusing marketing with science and the consumers are the ones who will ultimately be hurt.
Thank you, Lorna.
This is one of the many reasons why I don't trust big companies like Apple. They simply don't care and they obviously can't be trusted.
@TwoCables Calibrating screens to look orange is very easy. Calibrating lighting for individual people's biology and needs is very very difficult. These companies are just not comprehending that the second problem is the one that needs to be solved. It's a hard problem. We don't know the answers either. The biggest difference between us and them is that we know that we don't know the answers. That, and you know, $40 billion in revenue...
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Is Night Shift a free app?
It's free after the upgrade to a $500 phone.
f.lux has worked for every iOS device ever made, on every version of iOS since 4 (and we even compiled it once on 3 for a friend). Night Shift requires a newer 64 bit device.
They won't even let us ship our sideload version, because they want to force people who want the feature to buy new phones. I can understand their logic: if only one out of five f.lux users pay to update their iPhones to get Night Shift support, that makes a couple billion in sales revenue for Apple.
Sigh. So I was right: the reason why Apple prefers Night Shift is, they get money out of it.
As I said, Apple doesn't really care. If they DID, then Apple would prefer f.lux and they would keep it 100% free and it wouldn't require a phone upgrade.
So you have to ask yourself: "why do I trust Apple? Why would I trust ANY huge corporation? Who can I trust?" Obviously, no huge mega corporation will ever care about the health of their customers. All they care is that they can keep sucking money out of them somehow. It's especially obvious when dealing with a corporation who charges huge amounts of money for their products when you just KNOW their build costs are far lower than the selling prices.
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@TwoCables You can trust the groups of people actively researching the combination of light and sleep. If you're not in a research area pertaining to that then you better get extremely close to the output of a program that is currently available. The better thing to do is work with the current research that's out there or the people that are working very hard to understand it better than you currently do.
If you're the first ones to make such program then that kind of puts you on your own. You don't have to copy anyone's work, you just strive to make it the best you can and talk to researchers and continue learning. Many knock off programs think they're experts and pink works just as well as orange--I really tried to reason with the dev of Twilight but I got literally NOWHERE. It was mind boggling.
The others like that just don't seen to care about the real details, it's not their real interest and they don't care to learn more. We only have one f.lux and two f.lux developers, they haven't given up, they care a lot about getting everything right--nobody else trying to create the same effect has that... enjoyment of doing all this.
Yeah, so far, Lorna and Michael seem to be the only ones who actually care. The best part, they're being extremely human with this too and aren't asking for any money. Sure, they are accepting donations, but only because lots of people asked for the ability to donate.
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There are hundreds of amazing researchers who care a lot and who have spent their lives working on light, sleep, and health. We've met architects and lighting designers who work very hard to get this right. But we haven't managed to make it past the "derr turning screens orange is simple" attitude of many programmers. Maybe it's a bit of the Dunning Kruger effect, where being an expert in one area makes you more likely to overestimate your expertise in another. We certainly thought we were hot stuff for the first couple years! But then, if someone is curious enough to seek out the research which is often paywalled, and the researchers, who are incredible, that's when they start learning how important and how complicated this really is.
Oh I know that there are many who really do care quite deeply, but you're the only ones making software like this who care. That's what I mean. You care about making the software do things in such a way that are extremely effective.