Custom sunset/sunruse schedule - default is not OK for me.

Tungsten_smooth

TwoCables

or at least what I think they're saying. I seriously doubt that f.lux is built into it because a big announcement would have been made about it. I mean, that would be a big deal.

gvndual

@Tungsten_smooth The Kindle Fire has an feature built into it that allows the user to change the display from "Normal" to "Night." I did not mean to imply the f.lux app built in. Sorry for the confusion. I was only saying how much I love the Fire's method of doing this, and as such I was eager for the f.lux to be more flexible so I can use it on my PC.

Tungsten_smooth

@gvndual What does night mode do? Invert colors?

lorna

We haven't measured yet but it looks like they're using an overlay. And the iOS version isn't on hold any more or less than it has been.

Tungsten_smooth

@lorna Aw! That's just horrible! How difficult is it to change the colors correctly? Shame on you amazon!

(I'm assuming you saw black change into brown?)

lorna

Going just from the screenshots, see the one on this page: http://mbeddedmaximum.com/2015/12/18/the-amazon-fire-tablet-you-get-a-lot-more-than-50-worth/

I guess people can only copy what they can install. >.<

Tungsten_smooth

@lorna
From the site you just linked:

Looking at Blue Shade is kind of like looking in an old, yellowy-tinted book

WHAT? There's nothing remotely yellow about it! That's PINK.

lorna

Yeah, I don't know what to tell you.

Jacob Johnston

@lorna No my phone isn't rooted. To be honest I'm a long-time happy user of Twilight for my Android but if you're making an Android app I'll have to check it out. Is rooting necessary to test? I can just enable app installation from 3rd party sources... Still using f.lux on all my computers though and looking forward to updates / would be happy to beta test.

lorna

@Jacob-Johnston For now it is. You can see the difference between Twilight and f.lux here: https://fluxometer.com/rainbow/#!id=Nexus 4 Apps/flux1900-nexus4

Jacob Johnston

@lorna

That's a neat visualization but I'm not sure but I'm not sure what to make of the results or the numbers. It's comparing f.lux1900 to twillight1500 (not sure what this means) and in my experience with twillight on my Galaxy Note4 you can set the color temp and dimming separately, with color temp ranging way further into the reds than I would usually use... I'll think about rooting my phone. I could provide more detailed feedback than I probably should in this forum but at the momet I just have no other good reason to root my phone.

Tungsten_smooth

@Jacob-Johnston The fluxometer compares the DEFAULT settings in twilight. So when you first install it, it's not doing SHIT to reduce much of the blue or green colors, by just using a red overlay. Yes you can change it around to 2700K but it's fading out the text and it's not as comfortable to read.

Filters like this are terrible, but that's all that is currently allowed without having root access. I hope color temp changes are allowed as regular users in the future.

lorna

@Jacob-Johnston The TL;DR is that dimming your phone and holding it further from your face is the best solution we know of for non-rooted phones right now.

I would love to beta flux on my android devices, I have a phone and a tablet running 4.4.x and a tablet running 4.2.x and one other tablet running 5.0.

emphatico

I'm really looking forward to the new PC version!

* SPOILER ALERT - Long Post *

I've worked on both small & large teams...

/Generalization ON
If properly managed, large(r) teams can iterate versions quickly...until they're too large (or not quite large enough, in the case of rapid growth), and then teams either have to be divided up...or (if management can't get their act together), pray the company gets purchased before the business closes. Furthermore, big team politics can often kill teamwork, and make your job a nice place to get away from as quickly as possible at the end of the day - which can lead to inferior product.

Small teams are more constrained by hours in the day & quantity of hands to do things. But if dedicated, they make superior product (like L&M's f.lux team!), but unless they have nothing else to do (often also a company killer), things can take a bit longer.
/Generalization OFF

f.lux UI, functionality, & your depth of research all deserve high praise!

Before my father recommended f.lux to me last fall, I've had to resort to many kludgy work-arounds for years to manage lighting so that my challenges with SAD/dysthymia/bipolar don't render me totaly useless. Full sized homemade full spectrum flourescent light boxes get the strangest of looks from people who don't know what's going on!

They got even more confused when they'd turn my overhead light on towards evening and I'd ask them to turn it off again.

 "You use that light box all day long, 
  and then you turn off the light at night 
  when you need it...I don't get it!"

It's interesting that they really enjoyed hanging out in my space during rainy days when I had the only available "sun" light!

I have several systems:
- Win10 Convertible Laptop/Tablet
- Android Tablet
- MacBook
- Vista laptop (soon either Win10 - else Linux)
. . . Desktop PC's of various vintage lurking in dark storage corners!

Beta testing is something I'd be interested in - especially for something which assists better health & outlook on life.

Here's my take on the Quick-Set Buttons discussion . . .

In SETTINGS screen:

Provide user checkbox to switch from AUTOMATED SCHEDULE to MANUAL input;
In MANUAL settings, provide slider (suggest 1 - 4 only) to select User-desired quantity of settings to be memorized;

In MANUAL settings:
3) User selects a numbered radio button to "program";

Using a choice of:
- Provided f.lux presets; or,
- The existing LOCATION; or,
- Day Time/Night Time colour sliders

User makes desired lighting adjustments;
User presses "MEMORIZE" button in MANUAL settings screen;
(Behind the scenes, CURRENT SETTINGS are applied to the selected radio button.)
6) User repeats steps 3 through 5 as required;
Return to regularly scheduled programming;
When desired/needed User selects radio button(s) to manually switch to (now memorized) settings for each radio button;
Manual tweakers are now (maybe) happier. (Are we ever?)

You could have all settings allocated to either manual or scheduled, with the caveat that any manual selection will override a current schedule. (But this would require more programming than the suggestion above & would likely confuse less technical Users.)

Perhaps an option to set the number of DESIRED DAYLIGHT HOURS (originally defaulted to LOCATION), after which the automated schedule could proceed as usual? (This would be simplest, but wouldn't provide the level of control for manual tweakers.)

And of course:
10) A RESET BUTTON to undo all of the damage wrought by the tweakers!

Though I LOVE f.lux and would continue to use it in its present condition, I will (almost always) welcome intelligent changes to the interface and options!

Keep up the good work!

Cat Cat

It's really embarrassing that the dev talks about an "upcoming version" for 6 months for a feature so simple that can be fixed with the Task Scheduler, PR much? Anyway thanks a bunch to Jari Kolehmainen for the tip on how to properly close the app from the Task Scheduler.

TwoCables

@Cat-Cat said:

It's really embarrassing that the dev talks about an "upcoming version" for 6 months for a feature so simple that can be fixed with the Task Scheduler, PR much? Anyway thanks a bunch to Jari Kolehmainen for the tip on how to properly close the app from the Task Scheduler.

He's not developing for one feature, Cat Cat. He's developing for much more than that, and he's also trying to support multiple operating systems and multiple platforms. He is also doing this voluntarily, FOR FREE. He is also doing this as time permits because he has a personal life to attend to as well.

So please be more understanding and forgiving.

archalien

I appreciate the work!

Want to throw my hat in on custom schedules. Sunrise/sunset does not work for me either.
An alternate better approach for me would be sleep schedule. I go to sleep between 11 and midnight regardless of sunset.
I only need the dimming to start at 9 and slow dim until midnight. (3 hours dim length)

I also have different wake up schedules depending on workday(real early to the gym on some days) and sleep in on weekends.
Daily specific/weekly schedules would be useful for me. Any ETA on when something like this might make it into a beta?

Thx

CobraA1

I'd like to add my support for a custom schedule, as well as request access to the beta. I'm pretty far up north, and the length of our days varies greatly depending on the season. My work schedule, however, doesn't.