Custom sunset/sunruse schedule - default is not OK for me.



  • @tugger said:

    I'm just getting into astronomy and white light is bad

    Are you familiar with the effects of light pollution? The International Dark Sky association is a great resource. Star light and room lights are very closely related. Street lights can disrupt sleep too!

    How do I get in on the beta?!

    You can find the program in the play store with the following link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.justgetflux.flux



  • @Tungsten_smooth said:

    @tugger said:

    I'm just getting into astronomy and white light is bad

    Are you familiar with the effects of light pollution? The International Dark Sky association is a great resource. Star light and room lights are very closely related. Street lights can disrupt sleep too!

    How do I get in on the beta?!

    You can find the program in the play store with the following link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.justgetflux.flux

    Yes, I'm vaguely familiar with the street lights and that stuff. I use my laptop for observing and have to mess with f.lux before I'm at the site so white light doesn't appear.

    I was referring to the Windows beta - I thought that's what they were referring too.



  • We were indeed referring to a Beta version of f.lux for Windows, but we have to keep in mind that the f.lux team consists of just two people. They are a husband and wife team, and they aren't being paid to do this. They are true volunteers. They have very busy lives, so it could be a while before we see a beta. They can only do so much on any given day.

    I think we will all know when they have a Beta version that we can all try.



  • @TwoCables one of the things keeping us so busy is the upcoming Windows beta!



  • @lorna said:

    @TwoCables one of the things keeping us so busy is the upcoming Windows beta!

    Oh nice. Thank you for all you do.



  • @lorna Glad to read it! Hey when you get done with that, and you're not too busy with the Android stuff, I think Ubuntu snap files will help you a lot with Linux (I made a post about it). That should make it work on almost every Linux distribution.



  • Hey @lorna,

    Thanks for working on f.lux. It is one of my most beloved piece of software.
    Is there any news for the upcoming Windows beta?
    I'd be quite interested in participating.

    Background:
    I'm finding myself more and more micro-managing f.lux, especially during the winter when the sun goes down so early around this part of the globe. And so I am looking more and more for ways I could keep that automatic: e.g. set warming to happen from 9:30pm till 10:30pm and cooling to happen from 7:30am till 8:30am.



  • This program is basically unusable for me without being able to set when day and night start. The excuse of trying to "educate" people about their sleep needs or whatever... that just seems quite mental to me. it's almost saying "we know what you want better than you know what you want!"

    I mean, if it actually worked that would be one thing but it doesn't even work for the standard use case ime. I'm here in england with a good 45 minutes of daylight/twilight left. WELL before sunset. And it thinks the sun set 20 minutes ago.

    So please add the ability to manually override the day and night triggers. PLEASE.



  • @jimjamjahaa I can respect that, the sunset timing is not the right thing for everyone. The thing is, "what's best" for lighting is a pretty active ongoing research topic. So our goal is not to know what's better for people than they do, but to actively find ways for you to figure out what's better for you. I really hope you'll try again with the next update to our Windows version.



  • @lorna Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this but I work in special education in the field of assistive technology and we want to set the screen brightness much lower and then just keep i that way. Is Flux the way to do that? Can it be just set at a brightness value and then just left there with no change due to time of day?



  • @lorna hey thanks for the quick reply. yeah, i'll check out the new release for sure :) sorry for being grumpy. you guys put your work out there for free and we just complain :/



  • @ATCnorthstar Like with dimming or with a color shift?



  • For everyone watching and waiting, like I have.....Forever..... For such a simple request, yes it is quite simple(Im a 10 year software's engineer) your wait should be over soon as the creators update for Windows 10 coming in a couple months is reported to have this feature baked into the OS, f.lux unfortunately missed the opportunity to be the market leader by being slow or in this case totally unresponsive to user needs. I feel sad for f.lux team as they could have dominated the market here by being more mature and feature rich and building brand loyalty amongst it's user base, their inability to do so has relegated them to just a footnote in this space. 😢

    You should see reports from on this feature from Windows insider preview builds I imagine fairly soon.



  • Thanks @jimjamjahaa, no worries. It's a fair request. Our goal is to further the understanding of human biology, not just turn things orange on a timer. It's a longer term undertaking and a much more difficult one.



  • @archalien Oh wow I didn't know it's in my OS haha. The Creator update is finally here and yes, the Night light setting is great - everything f.lux could have been. I'm amazed that this feature was requested since 2015 and even now was not implemented.



  • @lonelymoon The developer clearly doesn't care, and is never going to make another update. What's more amazing is how they kept lying to us for years that it's "right around the corner" and "we just need to understand human biology first". If they had just been honest and told us that it wasn't going to be made, then at least everyone could start looking for other alternatives.





  • @lonelymoon I like the Creator's update - it has the schedule, it doesn't interfere with nVidia settings, and it works with more of my games. I think f.lux really passed up a good opportunity - I doubt I will look at it ever again. All I wanted was that scheduling option.



  • @herf thanks, but no thanks. The creators update is out now and finally I don't need f.lux anymore. It was literally less than 50 lines of code to implement a feature that everyone wanted, and it was promised for two years. Surely it was possible to release this basic function without adding all that other stuff that's currently in the beta. But giving users what they wanted clearly wasn't on the list of priorities here.



  • @joankim Sorry that we disappointed you I wish you well.



  • @lorna Hi. This would have been really great to know 2 years ago! Forcing people into schedules they don't want without explaining why you're doing that is not a very good way to "further the understanding" of anything except frustration. If education really is your goal, you could try adding some explanation on your homepage. : )



  • Any of this discussion would be pointless IF:
    There is manual schedule, in simplest form - start (hour:min , kelvin) , end (hour:min, kelvin).

    Simple.



  • @archalien said in Custom sunset/sunruse schedule - default is not OK for me.:

    For everyone watching and waiting, like I have.....Forever..... For such a simple request, yes it is quite simple(Im a 10 year software's engineer) your wait should be over soon as the creators update for Windows 10 coming in a couple months is reported to have this feature baked into the OS, f.lux unfortunately missed the opportunity to be the market leader by being slow or in this case totally unresponsive to user needs. I feel sad for f.lux team as they could have dominated the market here by being more mature and feature rich and building brand loyalty amongst it's user base, their inability to do so has relegated them to just a footnote in this space. 😢

    You should see reports from on this feature from Windows insider preview builds I imagine fairly soon.

    Is this feature out yet? How do you set it up?



  • This thread is really sad. I keep seeing responses about "wanting to learn more about human physiology", but the team seems completely ignorant to people living close to the arctic circle. I have to turn flux on and off myself, because it's not OK for me to get "ready for bed" at 4 pm. You guys with your quest to learn more about human physiology should've figured out that this kind of behavior can cause further disruptions to the circadian rhythm and contribute to Seasonal Affective Disorder. I want to get blased by blue light until I'm ready to get sleepy. That is not at 4 pm..

    If you guys have a git repo, give me read access, and I'll literally send you a pull request for the suggestion here. Free of charge.



  • Oh FFS! I thought F.lux was wonderful, finally a way to tone down my obnoxiously bright laptop screen at night which is too bright and blue even with the brightness turned all the way down. I spent a good deal of time trying to find a way to set a simple manual timer, I mean it HAS to be there right? I must be really dumb not being able to find it, no way they'd leave out such an obvious and necessary feature? Then I find this thread and see the developer having a douchy, arrogant holier-than-thou attitude and simply refusing to give users a manual setting if they desire to use it? Look I know developing is a lot of work, I'm a developer myself, and I appreciate the effort that has gone into f.lux but this attitude is ridiculous. Adapt my schedule to fit what the software developers think is best for me? I think not, I expect software to adapt to MY needs, not the other way around.

    So I'm tired of fighting with f.lux and hitting disable for an hour repeatedly like one might keep hitting the snooze button on an alarm clock so I'm uninstalling it now and will look for a similar tool that will bend to my needs rather than the other way around. It's disappointing, f.lux has so much potential, it's almost perfect save for one very serious fatal flaw.



  • @james_s We've been giving f.lux away since 2008 for free. Some of the comments we get from users make it all worthwhile. I regret to say that your comment doesn't fall into that category.

    Nevertheless I appreciate you took the time to write to us. Future versions of f.lux will be more customizable, and I hope you'll try it again in the future. For now, there are plenty of clones (even built into the OS) who offer manual timers, and hopefully one of them will offer the features that you are looking for.

    (closing this poor tired two year old zombie thread)


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